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ANONYMOUS (D...Thanks to everyone for the feedback.<br /><br /><b>ANONYMOUS (Dec 14 2011): "P.S.: I am more a Classic Value Investor (70%) due to the lack of time and (30% maybe less) prime or at least try to be 30% prime :)"<br /></b><br /><br />You know, I actually think that classic value investing is probably more time-consuming than the other two approaches.<br /><br />The problem with classic value investing is that, although it may seem quicker to execute, especially if you use rely on some quantitative metrics, it's a strategy where you have to continuously keep searching. After you have invested in one successful asset, you'll exit it fairly quickly and then have to find another opportunity.<br /><br />The beauty of the buy&hold-oriented techniques is that if you find a few good companies, you can hold them for a long time. As long as you purchased at a fairly low price, the company will compound the return on its own for a long time.<br /><br />In any of the strategies you have to find the right asset at the right price. That's probably much harder with the Buffett Prime approach. A lot of the great companies are rarely ever cheap -- and even when they are, it's hard to tell whether they really are. The advantage of the Buffett Prime approach is that you only need to find 2 or 3 great investments (right company, right price) every few years.Sivaram Velauthapillaihttp://can-turtles-fly.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798074091942701235.post-77731585169195823432011-12-14T03:35:25.006-05:002011-12-14T03:35:25.006-05:00Great post!
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"...some ...Great post!<br /><br />I liked the following:<br />"...some amateurs pretend to be Buffett Prime investors but never do the due diligence or can ever explain the business model of the company."<br /><br />That is so true! I am tired of people pretending of being Buffet Prime just because they had 1 or 2 companies that had a good return but on average done bad and try to use different quotes to show that they are doing exactly what buffet would have done! In overall they do not know anything about the company or the industry it is operating in.<br /><br />P.S.: I am more a Classic Value Investor (70%) due to the lack of time and (30% maybe less) prime or at least try to be 30% prime :)<br /><br />/AndreasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6798074091942701235.post-85814532570321989242011-12-10T08:50:16.132-05:002011-12-10T08:50:16.132-05:00Hats off to this man, No Non-sense player in the m...Hats off to this man, No Non-sense player in the market, plays according to the market rather than emotionally.Technology Consultanthttp://www.davidwiderhorn.com/noreply@blogger.com